Comments on: Boos and cheers as politicians address Pride crowds http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html/ PinkNews.co.uk Gay News (UK and world) from Pink News - all the gay news for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community in the UK and beyond- gay news from Pink News Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:54:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Mark http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html/comment-page-1/#comment-63113 Mark Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:53:04 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html#comment-63113 This has made for interesting reading. Most of the posts confirm that the politics have been taking out of Pride. I finally got to T Sq, around 5 pm having had to dismantle our float. I didn't stay long as it was way too busy and the people that they had on as acts or speakers just didn't interest me at all. The politicians got heckled because of actions of others that went before them. Will the Gay Community ever forget section 28 probably not in our life times. Do I think it's right that people threw bottles then No I don't but there are people in the LGBT Community that do this, they act first and think of the consequnces later. I would have expected more at Politics at Pride this year considering it was a week after the 40th Anniversary of the Stonewall riots where Pride originated from. If we are ever going to get Equal rights then we have to look to how we act in our own community first, once we have that in order then maybe just maybe it will come. There is so much inward fighting. Trans organisations boycotted Pride this year. Some of the comments above have people spouting off about others opinions of Pride. Unless we stand UNITED then it's not worth standing at all. As for the comments about LU drivers, they were only fighting for their rights and to be able to do their jobs safely. One of the major things they were fighting for was to assist in the safety of their passengers (so if you use the tube, it was your safety), it wasn't only the drivers that were on strike the office workers went on strike that day too because of unfair conditions and treatment. This has made for interesting reading. Most of the posts confirm that the politics have been taking out of Pride. I finally got to T Sq, around 5 pm having had to dismantle our float. I didn't stay long as it was way too busy and the people that they had on as acts or speakers just didn't interest me at all.
The politicians got heckled because of actions of others that went before them. Will the Gay Community ever forget section 28 probably not in our life times.
Do I think it's right that people threw bottles then No I don't but there are people in the LGBT Community that do this, they act first and think of the consequnces later.
I would have expected more at Politics at Pride this year considering it was a week after the 40th Anniversary of the Stonewall riots where Pride originated from.
If we are ever going to get Equal rights then we have to look to how we act in our own community first, once we have that in order then maybe just maybe it will come. There is so much inward fighting. Trans organisations boycotted Pride this year. Some of the comments above have people spouting off about others opinions of Pride. Unless we stand UNITED then it's not worth standing at all.
As for the comments about LU drivers, they were only fighting for their rights and to be able to do their jobs safely. One of the major things they were fighting for was to assist in the safety of their passengers (so if you use the tube, it was your safety), it wasn't only the drivers that were on strike the office workers went on strike that day too because of unfair conditions and treatment.

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]]> By: RobN http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html/comment-page-1/#comment-61252 RobN Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:56:14 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html#comment-61252 Laurence Bowers: Yes, I am a red-blooded homosexual for my sins. (Or so the good book tells me). Oh, and I'm an atheist, thank God. <i>Yes Keith, Brian, Eddy - before you pipe up - That was a *joke*</i> Laurence Bowers: Yes, I am a red-blooded homosexual for my sins. (Or so the good book tells me). Oh, and I'm an atheist, thank God.

Yes Keith, Brian, Eddy – before you pipe up – That was a *joke*

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]]> By: barry http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html/comment-page-1/#comment-61188 barry Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:54:53 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html#comment-61188 Sorry to say this, but i firmly feel that all Gay politicians plus those who profess to support the Gay cause, should have had this Pride date firmly in their diaries. Happy Birthday to young Boris, but sorry, love, Daddy should have been at work on that day,supporting a very important group of our society who deserve his support on principal or even are there to be woo'ed as supporters in the next election. He should have then come home and given you one hellovagood party and a great cuddle as soon as he came back through the door. As for Alan Duncan and his family together with all the other out Gay politicians, you've got a lot of catching up to do - so if you want us to believe in you, then raise your public profile. Sorry to say this, but i firmly feel that all Gay politicians plus those who profess to support the Gay cause, should have had this Pride date firmly in their diaries.
Happy Birthday to young Boris, but sorry, love, Daddy should have been at work on that day,supporting a very important group of our society who deserve his support on principal or even are there to be woo'ed as supporters in the next election.
He should have then come home and given you one hellovagood party and a great cuddle as soon as he came back through the door.
As for Alan Duncan and his family together with all the other out Gay politicians, you've got a lot of catching up to do – so if you want us to believe in you, then raise your public profile.

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]]> By: Simon Murphy http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html/comment-page-1/#comment-61142 Simon Murphy Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:23:35 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html#comment-61142 I wasn't there so can't comment on all the heckling save for 1 point. Neither Labour, or the Tories or the LibDems support equal access for gay people to the legal contract of civil marriage. They all support the 'separate but not quite equal civil partnership' law. They deserved the heckling they received. It is inconceiveable that in a democracy that a law-abiding; tax-paying minority group are denied access to a contract based on their sexual orientation. I hope they continue to get heckled whlle this discrepancy exists. I think the hecking is also linked to absolute apathy and disinterest on the part of the electorate - not just the gay electorate. I wasn't there so can't comment on all the heckling save for 1 point. Neither Labour, or the Tories or the LibDems support equal access for gay people to the legal contract of civil marriage. They all support the 'separate but not quite equal civil partnership' law. They deserved the heckling they received. It is inconceiveable that in a democracy that a law-abiding; tax-paying minority group are denied access to a contract based on their sexual orientation. I hope they continue to get heckled whlle this discrepancy exists. I think the hecking is also linked to absolute apathy and disinterest on the part of the electorate – not just the gay electorate.

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]]> By: Lezabella http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html/comment-page-1/#comment-61140 Lezabella Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:33:02 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html#comment-61140 Harriet shouldn't have been booed, she's done so, so much for us. Max- you have nothing to contribute except thinly-veiled insults. You're the type of person who would go to a Liverpool match, hear a handful of people (out of 50,000) shout foul language and then go home and say "You wouldn't beleive those scouse bastrds. Bloody barbarians!" You have no point whatsoever. The mere fact that you still believe in The Bible over 100 years after Charles Darwin is astounding. Your mind is closed and so are your ears, go away. Harriet shouldn't have been booed, she's done so, so much for us.

Max- you have nothing to contribute except thinly-veiled insults.

You're the type of person who would go to a Liverpool match, hear a handful of people (out of 50,000) shout foul language and then go home and say "You wouldn't beleive those scouse bastrds. Bloody barbarians!"

You have no point whatsoever. The mere fact that you still believe in The Bible over 100 years after Charles Darwin is astounding. Your mind is closed and so are your ears, go away.

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]]> By: Max http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html/comment-page-1/#comment-61139 Max Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:22:29 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html#comment-61139 You guys win, I'm going to leave you guys to devour each other, literally! I'm going back to my broad sheet & Christian discussion threads where you don't get abused, where moderators don't allow foul language and the debate stays on message and doesn't descend to name calling! You guys win,

I'm going to leave you guys to devour each other, literally!

I'm going back to my broad sheet & Christian discussion threads where you don't get abused, where moderators don't allow foul language and the debate stays on message and doesn't descend to name calling!

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]]> By: Andrew Reynolds http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html/comment-page-1/#comment-61132 Andrew Reynolds Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:43:55 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html#comment-61132 I think it is sad that we seem to have shifted in the last year to a partisan approach over gay rights. Tony Blair stood up at the Stonewall Equality Dinner last year and applauded the broad cross party support for changes in legislation that had been evident during his premiership. It strikes an odd chord that as soon as the labour party's fortunes have waned they have resorted to cheap mud-slinging during Pride: "I have never kissed a Tory and never will" emblazoned on the Labour supporters' t-shirts sums up the level of argument here. I hope most rationale people will focus on the real issues - whether about gay rights or the myriad of other policies that affect our lives. I think it is sad that we seem to have shifted in the last year to a partisan approach over gay rights.
Tony Blair stood up at the Stonewall Equality Dinner last year and applauded the broad cross party support for changes in legislation that had been evident during his premiership.
It strikes an odd chord that as soon as the labour party's fortunes have waned they have resorted to cheap mud-slinging during Pride: "I have never kissed a Tory and never will" emblazoned on the Labour supporters' t-shirts sums up the level of argument here.
I hope most rationale people will focus on the real issues – whether about gay rights or the myriad of other policies that affect our lives.

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]]> By: Laurence Bowers http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html/comment-page-1/#comment-61129 Laurence Bowers Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:41:48 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html#comment-61129 #24 RobN are you gay? you don't seem to talk about Jesus but I notice you seem engulfed in such a negative frame of mind. #24 RobN are you gay? you don't seem to talk about Jesus but I notice you seem engulfed in such a negative frame of mind.

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]]> By: Eddy http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html/comment-page-1/#comment-61128 Eddy Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:37:10 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html#comment-61128 Max, re. your Comment 22, so you claim that you landed here quite by chance because of Google. So there you are, a good heterosexual, plummeted into the heart of a gay political website . . . but you didn't flinch at jumping right in with the gay lads and spouting some tosh? And when your tosh is rejected you claim we are intolerant! You bet your bloody arse we're intolerant of the crap you spout! We've had enough of it. We've had centuries of it! And prats like you are still spouting it. We are tolerant of justice and intolerant of injustice. Get it? Max, re. your Comment 22, so you claim that you landed here quite by chance because of Google. So there you are, a good heterosexual, plummeted into the heart of a gay political website . . . but you didn't flinch at jumping right in with the gay lads and spouting some tosh? And when your tosh is rejected you claim we are intolerant! You bet your bloody arse we're intolerant of the crap you spout! We've had enough of it. We've had centuries of it! And prats like you are still spouting it. We are tolerant of justice and intolerant of injustice. Get it?

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]]> By: Eddy http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html/comment-page-1/#comment-61124 Eddy Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:21:18 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html#comment-61124 Max, re. your comments in posts 18 and 19, you're clearly worked-up and all-over-the-place and don't have the fuck of an idea what you've done where. Nobody censored your post but being one to rapidly assume a worst-possible-scenario you immediately assumed Pink News had. Now, shall we psychoanalyse what kind of sicko it is that claims to be heterosexual but must rush to a gay-politics website to spout evangelical make-believe? Max, re. your comments in posts 18 and 19, you're clearly worked-up and all-over-the-place and don't have the fuck of an idea what you've done where. Nobody censored your post but being one to rapidly assume a worst-possible-scenario you immediately assumed Pink News had.

Now, shall we psychoanalyse what kind of sicko it is that claims to be heterosexual but must rush to a gay-politics website to spout evangelical make-believe?

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]]> By: Max http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html/comment-page-1/#comment-61097 Max Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:52:45 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html#comment-61097 Got to give it you guys... Your definately consistent with your rudeness, must be the hangover from yesterday, I'll afford you all a litle grace. I'm sure by Wednesday when your brain chemistry has returned back to normal levels after the recreationals you indulged in have left your systems you will all go back to the tolerant Christian loving people I'm sure your not. Got to give it you guys…

Your definately consistent with your rudeness, must be the hangover from yesterday, I'll afford you all a litle grace. I'm sure by Wednesday when your brain chemistry has returned back to normal levels after the recreationals you indulged in have left your systems you will all go back to the tolerant Christian loving people I'm sure your not.

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]]> By: jason http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html/comment-page-1/#comment-61087 jason Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:48:01 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html#comment-61087 Hi RobN, I guess you are one of those "Tory supporting gays" that we hear mention of? Your writing style gives you away. Hi RobN, I guess you are one of those "Tory supporting gays" that we hear mention of? Your writing style gives you away.

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]]> By: RobN http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html/comment-page-1/#comment-61080 RobN Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:29:37 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html#comment-61080 Nice to see the scum of the earth Bob Crow daring to show his face. The last vestiges of 70's unionism is still out screwing the general public. The man is lower than pond life; No wonder he got booed off. And I await the rabid retorts from all the lefties on here supporting this piece of money-grabbing shite, but I wonder what you will think on New Years Eve when you can't get a tube home because him and his cronies what even more on top of their £60k a year for driving a fucking train. Next time they go on strike they should be sacked, and Crow put up against a wall and shot. Ah well, I guess he is still amongst friends all mutually back-slapping each other, slagging off Tories, telling all the poofs they are wonderful whilst fiddling expenses, getting golden handshakes and meanwhile wrecking the country in the few hours they actually spend at work. Pride should be scrapped. It's a fucking embarrassment. Nice to see the scum of the earth Bob Crow daring to show his face. The last vestiges of 70's unionism is still out screwing the general public. The man is lower than pond life; No wonder he got booed off. And I await the rabid retorts from all the lefties on here supporting this piece of money-grabbing shite, but I wonder what you will think on New Years Eve when you can't get a tube home because him and his cronies what even more on top of their £60k a year for driving a fucking train. Next time they go on strike they should be sacked, and Crow put up against a wall and shot.

Ah well, I guess he is still amongst friends all mutually back-slapping each other, slagging off Tories, telling all the poofs they are wonderful whilst fiddling expenses, getting golden handshakes and meanwhile wrecking the country in the few hours they actually spend at work.

Pride should be scrapped. It's a fucking embarrassment.

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]]> By: shaunagus http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html/comment-page-1/#comment-61074 shaunagus Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:55:01 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html#comment-61074 harriett shouldnt have been booed - she is so committed to equality and is the driving force in parliament behind the new equality bill that equalises rights for the LGBT people even more than we have already....unless they were all booed due to the expenses thing, but even so, she is a friend of the LGBT community and advocates for us at the highest level and shouldnt have been treated like that harriett shouldnt have been booed – she is so committed to equality and is the driving force in parliament behind the new equality bill that equalises rights for the LGBT people even more than we have already….unless they were all booed due to the expenses thing, but even so, she is a friend of the LGBT community and advocates for us at the highest level and shouldnt have been treated like that

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]]> By: Max http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html/comment-page-1/#comment-61070 Max Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:25:12 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html#comment-61070 George, In your fantasies, actually I was brought here by a link on google when reading articles on Bishop of Rochester and his views on homosexuality and the church, I also think in order to have abalanced view on an issue it is useful to read commentary from various sources even when they are contrary to my own opinions. Unlike many like you who like to wallow in your ghettos reinforcing your narrow world views. So on here I have been called a twat and told to 'fuck off by two different people here, that's tolerance for you! George,

In your fantasies, actually I was brought here by a link on google when reading articles on Bishop of Rochester and his views on homosexuality and the church, I also think in order to have abalanced view on an issue it is useful to read commentary from various sources even when they are contrary to my own opinions. Unlike many like you who like to wallow in your ghettos reinforcing your narrow world views.

So on here I have been called a twat and told to 'fuck off by two different people here, that's tolerance for you!

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]]> By: jason http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html/comment-page-1/#comment-61065 jason Sun, 05 Jul 2009 18:57:51 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html#comment-61065 Just goes to show that the "gay community" are no different than any other "community". Most who attend these kind of events are sadly quite ignorant, when it comes to political causes of the past. Now, as one poster said, its about who's wearing the tightest t-shirt, and best haircut, and just having fun and getting of your face. That's equality for you. Just goes to show that the "gay community" are no different than any other "community". Most who attend these kind of events are sadly quite ignorant, when it comes to political causes of the past. Now, as one poster said, its about who's wearing the tightest t-shirt, and best haircut, and just having fun and getting of your face. That's equality for you.

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]]> By: George http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html/comment-page-1/#comment-61060 George Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:58:24 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html#comment-61060 And yet Max, here you are hanging out on a gay website, providing more evidence for us all that gay-bashers like yourself are 85% probable closet gay anyway. Don't know what you hope to achieve here but we've heard it all before and you're a twat. And yet Max, here you are hanging out on a gay website, providing more evidence for us all that gay-bashers like yourself are 85% probable closet gay anyway. Don't know what you hope to achieve here but we've heard it all before and you're a twat.

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]]> By: Max http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html/comment-page-1/#comment-61040 Max Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:33:25 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html#comment-61040 Ooh sorry you have put it back up again... Come on guys make your mind up. your either for free speech or your not, don't change tac when it suits! Ooh sorry you have put it back up again…

Come on guys make your mind up. your either for free speech or your not, don't change tac when it suits!

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]]> By: Max http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html/comment-page-1/#comment-61039 Max Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:30:07 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html#comment-61039 I commented on here earlier about the so called equal rights, tolerant and compassionate 'Gay Community' throwing bottles and abusing the invited guest speakers... And surprise surprise its been censored and taken down. Pink fascism in action, you guys want a democracy where everybody agrees with your liberal anything goes culture. No dissenting voices aloud, censorship not debate, it would seem you derive your tactics not from democracy but from oppressive despots. I commented on here earlier about the so called equal rights, tolerant and compassionate 'Gay Community' throwing bottles and abusing the invited guest speakers… And surprise surprise its been censored and taken down.

Pink fascism in action, you guys want a democracy where everybody agrees with your liberal anything goes culture.

No dissenting voices aloud, censorship not debate, it would seem you derive your tactics not from democracy but from oppressive despots.

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]]> By: Max http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html/comment-page-1/#comment-61018 Max Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:10:32 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html#comment-61018 Pride has become a self indulgent day for hedonism, anything that gets in the way of the party gets a violent reception. Your so called loving gay community revealed themselves yesterday lashing out at those politians who foolishly supported your cause. We the evangelical christian community stand back and smile when you behave like barbarians. Your not fighting for a tolerant democracy as you claim, where all citizens are treated with respect, your fighting for a democracy where people are forced to agree with your views or shut up, a kinda of pink fascism. The appalling treatment of the speakers yesterday in Trafalgar Square did more for the evangelical christian cause than our chritian bretherens protest at the parade yesterday. Drugs, drink and a hatred for all things not gay revealed the heart of your community... A intolerant heart that is full of hatred and self interest covered with a thin veneer of false compassion and love. What other parade would give a prominent position to a convicted class 'A' drug user and violent criminal like Boy George still stinking of prison starch and on a curfew. I hope the carnival float got him home on time before his prison tag bleeped out of time to his DJ beats. Pride has become a self indulgent day for hedonism, anything that gets in the way of the party gets a violent reception.

Your so called loving gay community revealed themselves yesterday lashing out at those politians who foolishly supported your cause.

We the evangelical christian community stand back and smile when you behave like barbarians. Your not fighting for a tolerant democracy as you claim, where all citizens are treated with respect, your fighting for a democracy where people are forced to agree with your views or shut up, a kinda of pink fascism. The appalling treatment of the speakers yesterday in Trafalgar Square did more for the evangelical christian cause than our chritian bretherens protest at the parade yesterday.

Drugs, drink and a hatred for all things not gay revealed the heart of your community…

A intolerant heart that is full of hatred and self interest covered with a thin veneer of false compassion and love.

What other parade would give a prominent position to a convicted class 'A' drug user and violent criminal like Boy George still stinking of prison starch and on a curfew. I hope the carnival float got him home on time before his prison tag bleeped out of time to his DJ beats.

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