Comments on: Christian registrar takes civil partnerships complaint to court of appeal http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/ PinkNews.co.uk Gay News (UK and world) from Pink News - all the gay news for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community in the UK and beyond- gay news from Pink News Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:57:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: trev http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/comment-page-2/#comment-81950 trev Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:22:47 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/#comment-81950 Nobody should have the right to pick and choose what elements of their job they want to carry out. I'm not particularly fond of Christians but that doesn't mean I would refuse to work with them Nobody should have the right to pick and choose what elements of their job they want to carry out. I'm not particularly fond of Christians but that doesn't mean I would refuse to work with them

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]]> By: Jean-Paul Bentham http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/comment-page-2/#comment-81279 Jean-Paul Bentham Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:47:48 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/#comment-81279 C'mon now, you know what a fine reputation the "Empire" has of being diplomatic. Whatever you do, don't roll up the holy babble and shove it up her ass, and string her up at Charing Cross, before dosing her corpse with gasoline and burning it to a crisp. That wouldn't be British, pip, pip, and all that. C'mon now, you know what a fine reputation the "Empire" has of being diplomatic.

Whatever you do, don't roll up the holy babble and shove it up her ass, and string her up at Charing Cross, before dosing her corpse with gasoline and burning it to a crisp.

That wouldn't be British, pip, pip, and all that.

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]]> By: Mihangel apYrs http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/comment-page-2/#comment-81268 Mihangel apYrs Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:23:17 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/#comment-81268 so does she take the 10% pay cut (off LGBT people) since she won't offer the service to gays and lesbians? I thought not. If her appeal goes through, it will institutionalise homophobia - any gay hater can withdraw their servies so

does she take the 10% pay cut (off LGBT people) since she won't offer the service to gays and lesbians?

I thought not. If her appeal goes through, it will institutionalise homophobia – any gay hater can withdraw their servies

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]]> By: Phil Gibbs http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/comment-page-2/#comment-81221 Phil Gibbs Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:16:49 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/#comment-81221 A Satanist registrar wears an inverted crucifix to the workplace,it's hidden under her blouse so no problem there but she decides not to perform civil marriages for Christian couples. Does Lillian Ladele support the Satanist's right to be exempted from this duty on grounds of deeply held religious conscience? Somehow I doubt it, no she wants special rights and privileged treatment just for herself and for other fundamentalist Christians just like her. A Satanist registrar wears an inverted crucifix to the workplace,it's hidden under her blouse so no problem there but she decides not to perform civil marriages for Christian couples. Does Lillian Ladele support the Satanist's right to be exempted from this duty on grounds of deeply held religious conscience?
Somehow I doubt it, no she wants special rights and privileged treatment just for herself and for other fundamentalist Christians just like her.

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]]> By: JohnK http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/comment-page-2/#comment-81179 JohnK Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:48:24 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/#comment-81179 Latest News . . . "Lillian Ladele Case" http://www.christian.org.uk/news/ladele-appeal-judgment-expected-by-christmas/ Latest News . . . "Lillian Ladele Case"

http://www.christian.org.uk/news/ladele-appeal-judgment-expected-by-christmas/

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]]> By: JohnK http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/comment-page-2/#comment-81135 JohnK Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:17:45 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/#comment-81135 Ok . . . Rick George/21stCenturySpirituality. I have posted a few resonses on the site already, my id is the sames as on here, but slightly changed (JohnK Kay) Ok . . . Rick George/21stCenturySpirituality.

I have posted a few resonses on the site already, my id is the sames as on here, but slightly changed (JohnK Kay)

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]]> By: 21stCenturySpirituality http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/comment-page-2/#comment-80971 21stCenturySpirituality Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:31:28 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/#comment-80971 Alright JohnK, me too, see you there. Im Rick George. Check out what Ive said on there. Alright JohnK, me too, see you there. Im Rick George. Check out what Ive said on there.

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]]> By: Jean-Paul Bentham http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/comment-page-2/#comment-80919 Jean-Paul Bentham Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:57:01 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/#comment-80919 Lilian should quit while she's ahead. Right now, she will have her picture on the church's bulletin board, and everyone in church will go up to her and say what a fine christian she is, blah, blah, blah...and free egg salad sandwiches. The following scene ain't so pretty, so either do your job, sweetie, or let someone else do it. You are standing in front of a raging locomotive comimg staright at you. Don't say I never told you!!! Lilian should quit while she's ahead.

Right now, she will have her picture on the church's bulletin board, and everyone in church will go up to her and say what a fine christian she is, blah, blah, blah…and free egg salad sandwiches.

The following scene ain't so pretty, so either do your job, sweetie, or let someone else do it.

You are standing in front of a raging locomotive comimg staright at you.

Don't say I never told you!!!

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]]> By: Eagle the militant American Indian-Jew http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/comment-page-2/#comment-80898 Eagle the militant American Indian-Jew Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:39:54 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/#comment-80898 Everyone before they are born and while still in the womb has a choice rather they want to be born Black or white or Chinese or heterosexual or have Downs Syndrome or grow an extra arm or extra foot or insane or whatever they choose according to the Christians and the Muslims. They say everyone chooses their lifestyles on how they want to be born including the various species of animals. The reason I know this to be a fact is because they allege a gay person chooses to be born gay, therefore everyone has the same power of choice to be born anyway the choose, so who needs a god? Fire god as he is worthless as mankind has as much power as he does. Everyone before they are born and while still in the womb has a choice rather they want to be born Black or white or Chinese or heterosexual or have Downs Syndrome or grow an extra arm or extra foot or insane or whatever they choose according to the Christians and the Muslims. They say everyone chooses their lifestyles on how they want to be born including the various species of animals. The reason I know this to be a fact is because they allege a gay person chooses to be born gay, therefore everyone has the same power of choice to be born anyway the choose, so who needs a god? Fire god as he is worthless as mankind has as much power as he does.

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]]> By: Saz http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/comment-page-2/#comment-80884 Saz Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:33:55 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/#comment-80884 Being gay is not a lifestyle choice. Being white or black is not a choice. The two have equal standing and should be accepted for what they are. Being religious is a choice. And being bigoted and prejudiced against a set of people is certainly a choice. And btw, when did a gay ever stop Rosa Parkes from sitting where she wanted on the bus? Being gay is not a lifestyle choice. Being white or black is not a choice. The two have equal standing and should be accepted for what they are. Being religious is a choice. And being bigoted and prejudiced against a set of people is certainly a choice.

And btw, when did a gay ever stop Rosa Parkes from sitting where she wanted on the bus?

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]]> By: Jay http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/comment-page-2/#comment-80842 Jay Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:14:28 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/#comment-80842 It’s very simple. She was a public servant, paid from the public purse, contracted to do a job. She refused to carry out her duties, not because she was unable to, but because she disagreed with them. The fact she’s a (so called) Christian doesn’t entitle her to be treated differently, or given exemption from carry out the duties as defined in her employment contract. She didn’t do her job and she got the sack. Instead of holding her hands up to her own failure, she’s crying “discrimination” because she happens to be a Christian. To my mind that shows a real lack of moral fibre, moral integrity and personal honesty. It’s very simple.

She was a public servant, paid from the public purse, contracted to do a job.

She refused to carry out her duties, not because she was unable to, but because she disagreed with them.

The fact she’s a (so called) Christian doesn’t entitle her to be treated differently, or given exemption from carry out the duties as defined in her employment contract.

She didn’t do her job and she got the sack.

Instead of holding her hands up to her own failure, she’s crying “discrimination” because she happens to be a Christian. To my mind that shows a real lack of moral fibre, moral integrity and personal honesty.

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]]> By: JohnK http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/comment-page-2/#comment-80840 JohnK Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:05:47 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/#comment-80840 I have also joined the Christian Institute on facebook . . . Which is proving illuminating, amusing if not a disturbing experience as I work hard at hopefully becoming a "Big Thorn" in thier sides. I have also joined the Christian Institute on facebook . . . Which is proving illuminating, amusing if not a disturbing experience as I work hard at hopefully becoming a "Big Thorn" in thier sides.

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]]> By: Rose http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/comment-page-2/#comment-80826 Rose Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:20:17 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/#comment-80826 Pray for Lilian? There is a man in hospital in Liverpool because teenagers following her kind of example think he deserved to have his head used as a football. My prayers will be for him, first! Pray for Lilian? There is a man in hospital in Liverpool because teenagers following her kind of example think he deserved to have his head used as a football. My prayers will be for him, first!

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]]> By: 21stCenturySpirituality http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/comment-page-2/#comment-80739 21stCenturySpirituality Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:49:21 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/#comment-80739 Lets all exercise our freedom of thought, conscience, and belief shall we Lets all exercise our freedom of thought, conscience, and belief shall we

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]]> By: 21stCenturySpirituality http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/comment-page-2/#comment-80738 21stCenturySpirituality Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:41:34 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/#comment-80738 Spot the error...Read More shouldnt be in there obviously Spot the error…Read More shouldnt be in there obviously

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]]> By: 21stCenturySpirituality http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/comment-page-2/#comment-80734 21stCenturySpirituality Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:37:44 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/#comment-80734 I have joined the Christian Institute on facebook, as suggested by James, and have responded to this statement made by Isobel Yvonne Mckibben: "Origen, who do you pray to ? it can't be the God of the bible otherwise you would understand that Lillian is not a bigot. God condems Homosexual activity, the bible condems it. We all fall short of God's Glory, that's why Jesus had to go to the Cross and shed His blood as an atonement for our sins. Love the sinner but not the sin. It is not right to expect Lillian to condone homosexual behaviour because it goes against her God and His word." Thus... "Isobel Yvonne Mckibben, on what basis do you propose that God condemns a loving and mutually supportive relationship between two persons of the same gender? Are you familiar with the Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic languages in which the bible was originally written? Do you have a degree in theology or religious studies? Have you explored the history, ... Read Moreorigins and evolution of Christianity and Christian ideas? Have you spent any time exploring Esoteric Christianity or the many texts and writings not included in the final canon that is presented as the bible we see today, to gain a clearer understanding of its context and the culture and history of those who wrote it? Have you read the work of those who discuss and explore biblical scholarship and theology in their books, such as John Shelby Spong, Richard Smoley, Alister Mcgrath, Daniel Helminiak, et al? What exactly is the reasoning behind your assertion that God condemns gay people and / or gay partnerships?" There is plenty more on the pray for Lillian Ladele thread to respond to. Come on people lets pray for Lillian. I have joined the Christian Institute on facebook, as suggested by James, and have responded to this statement made by Isobel Yvonne Mckibben:

"Origen, who do you pray to ? it can't be the God of the bible otherwise you would understand that Lillian is not a bigot. God condems Homosexual activity, the bible condems it. We all fall short of God's Glory, that's why Jesus had to go to the Cross and shed His blood as an atonement for our sins. Love the sinner but not the sin. It is not right to expect Lillian to condone homosexual behaviour because it goes against her God and His word."

Thus…

"Isobel Yvonne Mckibben, on what basis do you propose that God condemns a loving and mutually supportive relationship between two persons of the same gender? Are you familiar with the Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic languages in which the bible was originally written? Do you have a degree in theology or religious studies? Have you explored the history, … Read Moreorigins and evolution of Christianity and Christian ideas? Have you spent any time exploring Esoteric Christianity or the many texts and writings not included in the final canon that is presented as the bible we see today, to gain a clearer understanding of its context and the culture and history of those who wrote it? Have you read the work of those who discuss and explore biblical scholarship and theology in their books, such as John Shelby Spong, Richard Smoley, Alister Mcgrath, Daniel Helminiak, et al? What exactly is the reasoning behind your assertion that God condemns gay people and / or gay partnerships?"

There is plenty more on the pray for Lillian Ladele thread to respond to. Come on people lets pray for Lillian.

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]]> By: JohnK http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/comment-page-2/#comment-80717 JohnK Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:10:35 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/#comment-80717 James . . . thanks for the link to the "Christian Institute" on face book. I think it would be a good idea to monitor the messages on thier site, and contribute from time to time James . . . thanks for the link to the "Christian Institute" on face book.

I think it would be a good idea to monitor the messages on thier site, and contribute from time to time

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]]> By: Mihangel apYrs http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/comment-page-2/#comment-80705 Mihangel apYrs Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:12:55 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/#comment-80705 A proposal: 1. make marriage exclusively religious and heterosexual, but not attracting any secular benefits 2. make CP the secualr alternative for hetero and homosexual couple, and allow this all the secular benefits 3. make them mutually exclusive. Watch to see which alternative becomes more popular. Quite simple A proposal:
1. make marriage exclusively religious and heterosexual, but not attracting any secular benefits
2. make CP the secualr alternative for hetero and homosexual couple, and allow this all the secular benefits
3. make them mutually exclusive.

Watch to see which alternative becomes more popular.

Quite simple

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]]> By: Jean-Paul Bentham http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/comment-page-2/#comment-80695 Jean-Paul Bentham Wed, 04 Nov 2009 02:43:41 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/#comment-80695 The boot...give 'er the boot! What a maroon. Only in the UK. The boot…give 'er the boot!

What a maroon. Only in the UK.

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]]> By: James http://gaynews.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/comment-page-2/#comment-80691 James Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:53:34 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/christian-registrar-takes-civil-partnerships-complaint-to-court-of-appeal/#comment-80691 Lets all join the christian institute on facebook and comment on their bigoted news stories! http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Christian-Institute/78436661801?ref=mf Lets all join the christian institute on facebook and comment on their bigoted news stories!

http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Christian-Institute/78436661801?ref=mf

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